Summer Training

[one cent]

No I am not training for the beach. I am assuming (yes I know what happens when you assume) that there are quite a few of us with a focus for our training and I want to fish you into sharing.

This is my first week of traithlon training.
Today's big bike ride was a drenching rain.
Yesterday's swim include things floating in the pool and praying for foggy goggles.
Wednesday's brick day (bike and swim) involved cheating and counting spin class as part of my ride then trying to run on a treadmill while members of the gym chewed my head off.
Tuesday's swim - not bad.
Monday ride and run day. No run in an effort to avoid chatting members.

Tomorrow is my rest day. Thank goodness.
Sunday is a long run. I might make it L O N G E R for some sanity.

Have a great weekend!

[SpinBob]

Hey Penny,
Try running outside...at least then folks have to run with you to chat.

I did a couple of 30 mile bike rides this week, prepping for my MS ride next weekend. Please pray that next weekend will be dry.

I'll start training for a couple of duathlons over the summer after WSSC and then I'll start training for the half marathon in Baltimore in July ... I'm actually looking forward to running again, who'd have thought...

[jsejt]

Well I've been running this week but haven't "officially" started the training. I did post a picture of the Annapolis Triathlon, I'm so excited. When school gets out I'll kick training into full gear.

[one cent]

Mentally I getting really pumped about this. Slightly nauseated too!

I actually have been browsing sites for a decent swim suit to possibly move into the run with. My favorite site so far is all3sports.com. They have the cutest pink compression top to swim and run in. Being the occassional girly girl that I am - I have dropped hints to my hubby but they are falling on deaf ears. Looks like I will be doing some shopping!8)

[SpinBob]

Penny,

Let me know if you need some one to drop a bigger hint and I'll send Sam an email.

[Pink]

I actually have been browsing sites for a decent swim suit to possibly move into the run with. My favorite site so far is all3sports.com. They have the cutest pink compression top to swim and run in. Being the occassional girly girl that I am - I have dropped hints to my hubby but they are falling on deaf ears. Looks like I will be doing some shopping!8)

I've wondered -- what makes a top a top for tris? Are they just like any of the tight, compression exercise tops? Terry's got a tri top I love but didn't know if I should get it or not? Is the material heavier or something?


http://www.terrybicycles.com/detail.html?item_no=5077&c=Apparel

[SpinBob]

If something is designed for triathlons that means you can swim, run and bike while wearing it. This means it dries quickly when wet and wicks when it is dry...

[jsejt]

Mentally I getting really pumped about this. Slightly nauseated too!

I actually have been browsing sites for a decent swim suit to possibly move into the run with. My favorite site so far is all3sports.com. They have the cutest pink compression top to swim and run in. Being the occassional girly girl that I am - I have dropped hints to my hubby but they are falling on deaf ears. Looks like I will be doing some shopping!8)

Penny, just a suggestion but why not get a tri suit. I swam, biked, and ran in it and I didn't have to worry with the change outs. The chamois is super wicking so it dried really fast. I won't do a tri with out one, just buy a tri bra to wear underneath, that was my only problem.

[one cent]

Bob -
I told Sam you ready to pinch hit for me after my hints and his exacts words were "Hint? You sent me an email with a picture - that 's more than a hint!"
And here I thought I was being subtle.
I also ran outside today. No Ipod. Just me and the pavement. Boy what an attitude adjustment. Thanks:grin:

Shannon
Thanks for the recommendation. I love the suits too. I was hesitant not knowing anyone that had used one. So the information is defintiely helpful!

Pink -
when I break down and finally make the purchase I will keep you posted!

[SpinBob]

LOL, isn't it interesting how different everyone's perception is...Running without an iPod (shudder) on purpose? Yikes.

[jsejt]

LOL, isn't it interesting how different everyone's perception is...Running without an iPod (shudder) on purpose? Yikes.

I know, I read that too and a chill went over my whole body. ;):D

[musicgal28]

I start my Tri Training tomorrow!! I'm excited.

I too have been browsing looking for a tri top to wear. My other battle has been figuring out which sports bra to wear. Ideally I would like to wear 1 under my Tri outfit... So far my favorite site is www.figleaves.com and the top candidate is the "Shock Absorber." Any suggestions?!

[one cent]

I am so glad we are having this discussion (sorry Bob). I thought the Tri Suits had a built in bra. Is there to much "bounce for the ounce"? The Zoot suits advertise a support bra built in.

What suit did you wear Shannon?

And Pink I looked at that shirt - OOOOH I like!

[SpinBob]

I am so glad we are having this discussion (sorry Bob). I thought the Tri Suits had a built in bra. Is there to much "bounce for the ounce"? The Zoot suits advertise a support bra built in.

What suit did you wear Shannon?

And Pink I looked at that shirt - OOOOH I like!Penny,
You have no idea how fascinated I am with women's undergarments. ;)

[jsejt]

I am so glad we are having this discussion (sorry Bob). I thought the Tri Suits had a built in bra. Is there to much "bounce for the ounce"? The Zoot suits advertise a support bra built in.

What suit did you wear Shannon?

And Pink I looked at that shirt - OOOOH I like!

I used a DE SOTO sport brand Tri-suit. It doesn't have a built in bra, so I wore a regular sports bra underneath. YES! I was wet up top the whole time, it drove me crazy. I loved the suit but I'll definitely be buying a tri-bra underneath. I've heard that Zoot suit brand is very good.

[SpinBob]

Isn't there a story about that bra and the marks it left? :p

[jsejt]

Isn't there a story about that bra and the marks it left? :p

Oh man......you got me......I need to burn that thing now!!!

[missy]

Joining this thread late i know, just found this post. I did my first tri about 4 weeks ago, it went great! Finished second in my age group 40-44 year old gals- Anyway, I had a heck of a time finding a top to go with my izumi tri shorts. I needed some support so I ended up getting two tyr swim tankini extra support suit tops (they look like sports bras), then a tight fiting zip top to go over the top. You want them to be nice and tight, so trying them on if you can is nice, I had a xsmall, then layered it with a small. The nice thing about wearing the tyr tops is that they dried quickly, vs trying to wear a regular sports bra and not being dry. Each top was like $50 bucks, not cheap but well worth the comfort and support, and you can always wear the tri swim/run bra as a regular jog bra or swim suit top, so you get lots of use out of it.

[musicgal28]

Here's my problem. Right now I swim with a TYR tri top, and a bathing suit. I feel like that doesn't provide me with adequate support... I wonder what the effect of 2 tri tops would be... Or should I try a sports bra that I normally wear, in the pool and see how quickly that dries?

[like2bike]

Penny,
You have no idea how fascinated I am with women's undergarments. ;)...:o

[missy]

Here's my problem. Right now I swim with a TYR tri top, and a bathing suit. I feel like that doesn't provide me with adequate support... I wonder what the effect of 2 tri tops would be... Or should I try a sports bra that I normally wear, in the pool and see how quickly that dries?

Well, since you wouldn't be doing the tri in a suit or are you? I really like the womens tri shorts, then the two try swim tops layered with the zip front shirt (tight bikelike shirt for tri) since I don't want to expose my white mid section. I really needed the support of two tri swim bras, for me layering even one swim bra under a full swim suit would not give me enough support. Does your regular swim suit have support? Most swim suits don't have support. As for wearing your regular sports bra, give it a go, but I am skeptical on how quickly it could dry, and what kind of chaffing you might get if its wet for too long. Also for me I always run in two sports bras, tri top or no tri top- so support was imperative, I hate the boob bounce! That's my .02 :)

[SpinBob]

...:oI'm glad somebody reacted to that. ;)

[cfoam4me]

:o:o

[one cent]

First things first. :o:o:cool: aaah men.

I actually ordered a Tri suit last night. I am hoping to take it for a ride and a swim next week. The indoor pool actually closes Memorial day so I am on a schedule. I will let you know how it pans out.
The initial top I was looking at was a Tri Bra. That was through All3sports.com Being not of the Pamela Anderson persuasion I am hoping the suit is enough.:roll:

[musicgal28]

Someone told me that certain Tri tops disintegrate in the pool... So be warned... Supposedly Danskin does not. My tri sports bra top, that I wear under my swim suit is TYR, and I haven't had a problem with it.

Unfortunately Pamela and I have too much in common. So you can see my conundrum. Has anyone tried the extra support Tri tops?

[MetalQueen]

This past Fall I decided to add some "serious" weight training to my regime (serious meaning I haven't really weight "trained" in years). I am definitely seeing a difference in how I look and am working with a trainer 2x a week. Their philosophy is to train the muscle to failure, that is how you will build muscle (break it down/build it).

Anyway, now it is cycling/running season. I've only got 3 events planned as yet up to July 4th. (2 running races and a Century). My question is...now that we are "in-season" should I be laying off the legs until Fall again? I trained legs yesterday, went for a rolling hill ride last night and my legs felt a little dead (altho according to my time, I smoked the ride). Could have been just a bit of an off day or could be bcz I trained legs (not alot, mind you, I have asked the Trainer to pare it down). There was about a 5 hour lapse btw training and riding.

Just wondering. I'm hoping the weight training in the off-season is going to make me a stronger rider this season. Too early to tell.

Thanks for your input.

Deb

[Britspin]

I will start with the last...if you are racing lay off the heavy weights, for endurance sports strength building is a winter/off season game, run & run endurance is your aim now..so run...strength work would be up & downhill running, with maybe stability work in the gym.
There is reputedly very little carry over for strength training to bike, again hill & overgeared training is more specific.
All women should wear a sports bra of sorts..Pamela or not, gravity will get you in the end, why give it a helping hand? Obviously size does affect?matter, but the main movement is intransitioning from one movement to another, walk to jog, jog to run & I would assume bike to run. There is lots of good research on www.lessbounce.com.
Tri suits are great, but few will offer enough support in the long term & of course comfort rules.

[missy]

Someone told me that certain Tri tops disintegrate in the pool... So be warned... Supposedly Danskin does not. My tri sports bra top, that I wear under my swim suit is TYR, and I haven't had a problem with it.

Unfortunately Pamela and I have too much in common. So you can see my conundrum. Has anyone tried the extra support Tri tops?

Hi Musicgal, well I have the tyr extra support tri top- but I still need two of em- but because they are so thin, it doesn't feel like much- wearing two tops will be what you have to do if you are of the Pamela A body type. It really does keep the gals in place:o

[missy]

This past Fall I decided to add some "serious" weight training to my regime (serious meaning I haven't really weight "trained" in years). I am definitely seeing a difference in how I look and am working with a trainer 2x a week. Their philosophy is to train the muscle to failure, that is how you will build muscle (break it down/build it).

Anyway, now it is cycling/running season. I've only got 3 events planned as yet up to July 4th. (2 running races and a Century). My question is...now that we are "in-season" should I be laying off the legs until Fall again? I trained legs yesterday, went for a rolling hill ride last night and my legs felt a little dead (altho according to my time, I smoked the ride). Could have been just a bit of an off day or could be bcz I trained legs (not alot, mind you, I have asked the Trainer to pare it down). There was about a 5 hour lapse btw training and riding.

Just wondering. I'm hoping the weight training in the off-season is going to make me a stronger rider this season. Too early to tell.

Thanks for your input.

Deb

Deb, I agree with Brit spin, in the summer if I am doing events I scale way back on the weights. Lean and endurance mean is where you want to be if you are training for specific endurance events. Also, just from a time perspective, I can't do it all, in 7days a week, ie, endurance training, run swim bike weight train and work in a few days of recovery, not possible. I do stability training for the legs, and still work on the arms, back and shoulders, plus core- keeps everything in balance- Good luck!
Missy

[like2bike]

I'm glad somebody reacted to that. ;)

Probably not surprising it was me. :wink:

[MetalQueen]

Thanks guys...I had a feeling it was time to lay off (lower), however, I will continue with my 2x a week of upper body. I wasn't sure since this is the first year I've actually had weight training as part of my regimen.

It really is hard trying to maximize time efficiency. I do that weight training 2x a week at lunchtime!!!!!

Thanks all

Deb

[one cent]

Deb
I am glad you posted your question.
I have been making sure I get my weights in for fear of not properly training for this Triathlon. The answers you received go a long way for me.

Britspin - thanks for the - shall we say support? 8)

[billpierce]

I'm an endurance athlete. I run a couple of marathons per year and several half marathons in between. I've been strength training for perhaps the last 6 years of my running career and it seems to help. While Todd and Jennifer K can point out that it may not help my performance (I'm not sure that anything can), I feel that the added strength has helped me to avoid injuries. I train upper and lower body - 2 x week for each. While I vary my routine to work different muscle groups differently and to alleviate boredom, I don't change much between 'in-season' and 'out of season'. I use common sense and never have a tough run - speed work or long distance - right after a lower body strength session. I don't lift real heavy weights. I see no point in that for an endurance athlete. I typically do a challenging weight for 12 reps. I do a lot of 'sport specific' training for lower body and core, plus general strength for upper body. It's usually multi-joint and multi-planar. Much of my recent training has been on the PowerPlate - www.powerplate.com, where I practice acceleration training. I'm training myself and others on the plate, having recently gone through the official Training Academy. It's really cool.

Sorry that I can't provide any advice on the sports bra topic, but I'd be glad to offer some hands on research.

[SpinBob]

... Sorry that I can't provide any advice on the sports bra topic, but I'd be glad to offer some hands on research.Shame on you... and shame on me for not thinking to make the offer first...:D

[jsejt]

I tend to agree with Bill (I'm his groupie) with the weight training. I've been doing serious weight training since February and I've also seen a difference. I've been focusing primarily on upper body but I've been running and biking faster. I am going to lay off the legs a bit since I'm going to be in full Tri training this summer but I'm still going to focus on lifting those muscles. So am I running/biking faster because of weight loss or muscle definition?

[NJspin]

And she shared the pics to prove it.. Come on Shannon.. put up the link.. those pics are GREAT... Give them a glimpse of what they are in for in Miami next weekend. :DI've been doing serious weight training since February and I've also seen a difference.

[one cent]

I'm Sorry that I can't provide any advice on the sports bra topic, but I'd be glad to offer some hands on research.

Just between Bob and Bill alone - it is amazing the generosity we have here!

[one cent]

And she shared the pics to prove it.. Come on Shannon.. put up the link.. those pics are GREAT... Give them a glimpse of what they are in for in Miami next weekend. :D

GO GABI!!

[NJspin]

I am sure that is becuase they are just kinesthetic learners. :rolleyes:Just between Bob and Bill alone - it is amazing the generosity we have here!

[one cent]

I am sure that is becuase they are just kinesthetic learners. :rolleyes:

:grin::grin:

[SpinBob]

I am sure that is becuase they are just kinesthetic learners. :rolleyes:Also I'm very near-sighted. :D

[jsejt]

And she shared the pics to prove it.. Come on Shannon.. put up the link.. those pics are GREAT... Give them a glimpse of what they are in for in Miami next weekend. :D

Yo Bro don't give me away......your humble sista........

[Todd S]

While Todd and Jennifer K can point out that it may not help my performance (I'm not sure that anything can), I feel that the added strength has helped me to avoid injuries.


Remember running and biking are two different animals. A properly designed, well rounded strength training program that includes some plyometrics could in fact improve your running performance.

I too support the multi-joint, multi-planar philosophy, but I like to stick to the basics. Can't say I've ever tried a PowerPlate, but I'm a firm believer in old fashioned barbells, dumbbells, and Olympic style lifting with proper coaching. For developing all round athleticism, there's no substitute for developing the ability to handle relatively heavy weight explosively and with control.

There's a trainer at a gym where I teach that's got a pretty good following of women in the 20 to 40 something age range and he trains them like football players - lots of cleans, push presses, squats, deadlifts, etc. with a healthy dose of plyometrics. Very cool to see the results they're getting with none of the injuries some might expect doing this type of training with a relatively unathletic group. His group training sessions keep growing, too. I contrast this with the other style trainers I see who have folks lifting teeney weights on stability balls/boards and giving back rubs and shoulder rubs to their clients between sets. Those folks never seem to make any visible changes or improvements (at least to me as an outside observer).

[megale3]

Those folks never seem to make any visible changes or improvements (at least to me as an outside observer).

can't get sued if you don't get hurt :D
M

[Todd S]

can't get sued if you don't get hurt :D
M

True.

Secretly though I want one of those personal trainers that will fetch my weights for me while I sit, rub my shoulders when I'm sore, and listen attentively to my mindless gossip.

[megale3]

True.

Secretly though I want one of those personal trainers that will fetch my weights for me while I sit, rub my shoulders when I'm sore, and listen attentively to my mindless gossip.
LMAOROF they would make a fortune like a massage therapist.

[Britspin]

I too weight train in season...but the weight is a tool, a means to an end, not an end itself. I will second that multi joint, multi planar, weights, bands, bars,on the floor, bosu, ball, one leg etc etc. Winter, now thats a slightly different ball game, but still multi everything. Sit on a machine? Me? Nah...

[SpinBob]

And so it begins, swam, er, ran 3 miles today. Woof. 85º and 60% humidity almost makes wish for the freezing weather in January, almost.

What it like in Virginia today? Shannon? Penny? More humid than here, I'm guessing.

[missy]

Ok, I have been out of the loop for a while, end of the school year for the kids, hubby traveling..... nice weather.... Bob and Bill, you guys are a riot! Thanks for all the laughs in this thread- wondering if a perfect tri suit combo was ever found?

Also some good insight on the wt and endurance combination. Sounds like balance is the key.

Thanks again for the laughs!
Missy

[jsejt]

And so it begins, swam, er, ran 3 miles today. Woof. 85º and 60% humidity almost makes wish for the freezing weather in January, almost.

What it like in Virginia today? Shannon? Penny? More humid than here, I'm guessing.

Well right now it's 10:19 and 93º!!!! Not running in this heat. I hit the treadmill and I'm swimming tonight after I teach.

Be careful out there.....

[NJspin]

93 F here now.. it took about 75 min to get from your place Shannon.. PLEASE KEEP IT NEXT TIME! Headed to 99 they say. Two more half days of school left then it's beach time!!

[jsejt]

93 F here now.. it took about 75 min to get from your place Shannon.. PLEASE KEEP IT NEXT TIME! Headed to 99 they say. Two more half days of school left then it's beach time!!

Well it's reading 99.4º but........I AM out of school....and my kids are in camp this week. Shopping for a bathing suit in peace was very nice. :) Almost here bro.....

[one cent]

96 degrees here. Hazy, hot and humid. One more week of school.
Training has taken on more swimming!!

[cfoam4me]

Stay safe and hydrated my friends!

[musicgal28]

So, I decided I didn't like the training plan my Triathlon is providing. So I've kind of altered it. I'm thinking it should do the trick. My goal is to finish. Let me know what you think!!

[nacho9199]

Dear musicgal28,

You will definitely be able to complete your tri.

Unless I read your training schedule incorrectly, I didn't see any brick workouts. I would really recommend thowing in some brick workouts (two events back to back: swim-bike, swim-run, bike-run) just to get used to the transitions. Also, a few weeks before your event, find the training time to do a mock tri where you put all three events together. That way, when race day comes, you know you can do it.

That method really worked well for me training for my first sprint tri. i was nervous on race day, but knew that I would be able to complete the entire event.

Good luck with your training!

Kathy

[one cent]

Brick days are tough.

A friend recommended making sure I master the bike to run. She said I needed to get used to the jelly feeling in my legs. She was not kidding. The first 3/4 mile to a mile my legs feel almost disconnected. The Swim to bike is a lot easier for me physically.

The plan looks good Musicgal - definitely "personalized training"! I do agreee with Kathy though. Add a brick day. Now that I have done a couple it has changed my perception of what I need to get it done!

[SpinBob]

Definitely practice the bike/run part. When I did my duathlon, I always trained run/bike when I did bricks and you don't get the feel for how weird it is to go from pedaling to running. I found if you really push the pace the last 200 yards or so, the transition is smoother, but it still feel weird.

[one cent]

I have been missing the last fews weeks - however everyone is definitely on my mind.

How is everyone's training going?

Shannon isn't the Muddy Buddy in 2 weeks?
Bob have you started in for Baltimore?
Musicgal when is your triathlon?

Honestly had a down week last week. I mean way down - as in almost no trainig. The boys are out of school so I am adjusting my training schedule. Hopefully the end result will remain unchanged.

Good luck everyone. I am sending good karma your way.

[SpinBob]

I've been running and biking the past three weeks, running MWF and biking Tu, Th. I'm back up to running 4 or 5 miles pretty easily, but I haven't started on my training schedule for Baltimore yet. That will probably start mid-July. I looked at the course profile and it's pretty hilly. :o

[jsejt]

I'm out for Muddy Buddy [I]this year[I] but I'm in full swing for training for the Annapolis Tri. I haven't started bricking yet, probably start a little this weekend. The swimming is coming but I seem to make excuses to get in that pool. Happy Training ya'll!

[missy]

I've been running and biking the past three weeks, running MWF and biking Tu, Th. I'm back up to running 4 or 5 miles pretty easily, but I haven't started on my training schedule for Baltimore yet. That will probably start mid-July. I looked at the course profile and it's pretty hilly. :o

OK Bob, but the question is, have you found the perfect tri sports bra yet, or are you going to wear two as suggested earlier in the thread8) sorry could not resist-
Missy

[musicgal28]

The Tri is scheduled for August 3rd!! I have had a little bit of a rough week, I tried to do some running intervals the other day and had some really bad hip pain. I went to the Dr. today, he said I should do more yoga... Bricks are starting soon though!! Good luck everyone!

[SpinBob]

OK Bob, but the question is, have you found the perfect tri sports bra yet, or are you going to wear two as suggested earlier in the thread8) sorry could not resist-
MissyActually my goal is to reduce the size of my boobs, so I don't need to wear a sports bra,:o but thanks for asking.:D

[missy]

Actually my goal is to reduce the size of my boobs, so I don't need to wear a sports bra,:o but thanks for asking.:D

Ah, the boob reduction program- good luck with that8) keep us posted-

[SpinBob]

Sure thing.;)

[DanielleF]

Bob,
I spotted many men in manly tri half tops this weekend at a race I did. I'm sure you'll find one that you like!(keep away from white, bleeding nips, eew)
I'm sporting some purple-ish-greeny-yellow bruises from a pile up in the bike transition area.
I will let you know about next years MS event...if I learn how to edit, I'll throw some video on YouTube of our event.
Danielle

[SpinBob]

I haven't run a tri yet, probably not until next summer, but I'll keep my eye out for that cute top until then. :p

[one cent]

Musicgal - it sounds like you are first up for your next event so Good Luck.

Bob - I told Sam about your post and he had heard about the hills from a coworker. Now he wants to look at Philly. Apparently flat is in.

Shannon - sorry about the Muddy Buddy.
Good Luck on your brick day. I have had a hard time convincing myself to get out there on those days :(

[SpinBob]

When's Philly? It's definitely closer to me.

[one cent]

Not till November 23rd.
It looks like a beautiful course. Past Drexel and Penn, through Fairmont Park and a run along the River. The one mentioned hill is at 18 - however there were complaints that the half starts with the full then finishes at the halfway mark. Pretty cruel to the marathoners when they have to continue on.

http://www.philadelphiamarathon.com/

[one cent]

Here is another potential - in October - good reviews.

http://www.steamtownmarathon.com/

[musicgal28]

Also the Philly Distance Run is supposed to be great. That is in November... I think its half marathon distance. If I were still in Philadelphia this fall, I would be training for it. Since Grad school will be taking the front burner I am going to put training on a hold after the Tri. I hope to return to Philadelphia in May for Broad Street Run 2009! Then we will see about a half marathon.

[billpierce]

A friend of mine has done Philly several times and has always provided positive feedback. That late in the season, you can be sure it will be cool (which is good for running a marathon).

If anyone is interested in reading unbiased reviews of almost any marathon in the world, check out www.marathonguide.com. Choose a marathon and read the reviews from runners who have done it in previous years, reading the good and bad points of the race.

[SpinBob]

Here is another potential - in October - good reviews.

http://www.steamtownmarathon.com/Penny,
Whatever you and Sam are thinking is okay with me. Philly and northeast Pennsylvania are both convenient for me. One bonus about Philly is that we can do our pre and post race eating with Pink and Cfoam.

A friend of mine has done Philly several times and has always provided positive feedback. That late in the season, you can be sure it will be cool (which is good for running a marathon).

If anyone is interested in reading unbiased reviews of almost any marathon in the world, check out www.marathonguide.com (http://www.marathonguide.com). Choose a marathon and read the reviews from runners who have done it in previous years, reading the good and bad points of the race.Thanks Bill, great resource.

[one cent]

It appears the concensus (ie Sam) is for the City of Brotherly Love.

Do you think we can convince Shannon and John to head north?
I really like the thought of meeting some more friends! Anyone else care to join the festivities?

[SpinBob]

Philly is fine with me. I hope we can get Shannon and John to come to Philly, even if John decides not to run, Shannon was just going to cheer lead. I'll send Shannon an email. I still intend to get down to Annapolis to cheer Shannon on during her triathlon.

Although it's been mild the last few Novembers, there is always the possibility of cold, nasty weather.

[jsejt]

Philly is fine with me. I hope we can get Shannon and John to come to Philly, even if John decides not to run, Shannon was just going to cheer lead. I'll send Shannon an email. I still intend to get down to Annapolis to cheer Shannon on during her triathlon.

Although it's been mild the last few Novembers, there is always the possibility of cold, nasty weather.

Philly in November, don't know about that one guys. Very very busy time of year for us. Let's play that one by ear. :)

[one cent]

It is the Sunday before Thanksgiving. So I certainly understand. I am not sure yet - but I will try to cheer you on in Annapolis. Just keep Philly in mind. I am lucky enough to have family nearby to assist with my boys - so it is an added plus!

PS - The Shamrock is a must though!

[jsejt]

It is the Sunday before Thanksgiving. So I certainly understand. I am not sure yet - but I will try to cheer you on in Annapolis. Just keep Philly in mind. I am lucky enough to have family nearby to assist with my boys - so it is an added plus!

PS - The Shamrock is a must though!

Shamrock!!! Yes, a must!!!!

[billpierce]

I will be putting together a training program for someone from the other board. If any of you decide to run the Philadelphia Marathon, I will be more than willing to share the program with you. Just PM me with your e-mail address. The 18 week program commences at the end of July. There is no fee; just your undying gratitude. I virtually coached Jennifer Robertson last year and that seemed to work out well.

[tracik]

A friend of mine has done Philly several times and has always provided positive feedback. That late in the season, you can be sure it will be cool (which is good for running a marathon).
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Probably true EXCEPT for the year that I ran Philly (99, I think) when it was like 76 on race day (which felt like 90 since it was almost December and the temps leading up to the day were normal, not hot). :o I had so much salt on me at the finish my old running partner nicknamed me Morton. Still, an awesome race. I think I had my PW at that race due to a variety of issues and I can still say that it was a great race. I think it says a lot about a race if you can have a totally rotten day as a runner and still have lots of positives to say about the race.

Also, Philly Distance Run (mentioned earlier) is indeed a half but is held in Sept. so there are 2 separate opportunities to run a half in Philly this fall.